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The myth of economic self-reliance: friendshoring, globalization, and the future of trade

Published on April 30, 2025   37 min

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Interviewer: Today, I'm interviewing Dr. Edoardo Campanella, Senior Fellow at the Mossavar-Rahmani Center for Business and Government at Harvard Kennedy School, USA, and co-author of Anglo Nostalgia: The Politics of Emotion in a Fractured West. The subject of the interview is Dr. Campanella's article of 17th of January, 2024, published in Project Syndicate, titled, Economic Self-Reliance Is a Dangerous Delusion. Dr. Campanella argues that governments and businesses should be working for greater global interreliance, rather than the opposite. Listeners are expected to have read the article before listening to this interview. Dr. Campanella, thank you for taking the time for this interview. May I start with these fundamental questions? First, what are the objectives of the main state actors, and are those objectives compatible with global interreliance? Second, does what you advocate require greater alignment of those objectives than what currently exists? Third, are you, in effect, arguing that Western democracies should at least sustain their economic reliance on autocracies? Fourth, how do you square less authoritarian-versus-democratic rhetoric, greater efforts to separate economic issues from concerns about values, and a renewed diplomatic focus on the global commons

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