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Alternatives to toxic productivity: why corporate culture should value achievement over hours

Published on March 31, 2026   31 min

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Interviewer: Today, I'm interviewing Ms. Jennifer Moss, author, journalist and co-founder of the Work Better Istitute, USA. The subject of the interview is Ms. Moss's article, published in Harvard Business Review on 13th of November, 2024, "Let's end toxic productivity". The article, together with the list of Ms. Moss' books, accompanies this interview. Listeners are expected to read the article before listening to the interview. Ms. Moss, thank you for sparing the time. You advocate measuring goals achieved, not hours worked. Four questions. First, isn't that what business calls profit? Second, if we extrapolate this to the individual, is it not to achieve the highest monetary reward per hour work and stop when you have sufficient? Of course, sufficient varies from person to person. Third, is it right that your article is in effect an evangelical call for a changing culture with excessive numbers of meetings, the prime sin? Fourth, is it also possible that employee pushed to maximize income per hour worked battling the business intention to maximize profit is the market process that delivers the cultural transformation you seek? Ms. Moss. Ms. Moss: You know when we talk about this idea of measuring goals achieved and not hours worked,

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